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In making my picks, I felt I had done brilliantly with my 3 non-top-16-seed men's picks. 

I liked Baghdatis' draw, so I took him, but I was FAR more excited about the chances of Ernsts Gulbis, who has nearly unlimited potential and who has started to come into his own this clay court season.  So guess what?  He retired in the first round with a thigh injury.  Lovely.  OUCH!

I thought my smartest pick of all was Richard Gasquet, who comes off an impressive win of the tourney in Nice last week, including a victory over Verdasco in the final.  Gasquet is, at his best, a great clay court player, though a bit of a head case.  He drew Murray in the first round.  Clay is BY FAR Murray's worst surface, and he had been utterly atrocious throughout the clay season, playing like a journeyman at best. 

Man, did I feel smart when Gasquet came out and won the first two sets.  After beating Murray, the draw was wide open to the round of 16 and maybe the quarters.  But nooooooooo!!!  Utilizing, I'm sure, all his grit, conditioning and cleverness, Murray somehow managed to come back and win in 5 sets.  AAAUUUGGGHHH!!!   

Well, folks, I should have read the rules.  I probably would have taken Gasquet anyway, but I sure was surprised about the -16 points!  OUCH again! 

And then there's Azarenka.  Since I follow the men's game far more closely, I was blissfully unaware she had been fighting through injury.  Her game failed to show up at all, and she was embarrassed by a poor player in the first round.  OUCH yet again!

So my teams are in trouble this time.  I hope to do better with my Wimbledon picks. 

But, I gotta warn ya -- watch out come the 4th round at Roland Garros, because Dropshot Kings will rule!

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I had Richard Gasquet as winning too, *sigh*

I thought he'd have the steel over a slightly wobbly Murray. Still don't think Andy will get too far, clay isn't his favourite surface and he has had a real dip since the AO finals. But still, disappointed that what I thought was a canny prediction went into the mud!

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I didn't think it was a wise move for Gasquet to play a tournament that ended two days before his first match at the French. I think it will wind up costing Verdasco in the end as well.

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Wow, Monaco just played a terrible match. Well, my men's bracket is out the window.

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It's true that the really smart top players like Fed and Rafa always take the week off before the French, so you probably have a very good point about Gasquet and Verdasco, Aiur. 

Still, I'm stunned Gasquet lost to Murray.  Nonetheless, Murray won't last long.  He gets Baghdatis in the 3rd round and Berdych (or maybe Isner, though I doubt it) in the 4th.  Tough draw.  No way he makes the quarters.

Verdasco was in trouble anyway.  He gets Kohlschreiber in the 3rd round and Almagro (or maybe Gonzo, though I doubt it) in the 4th.  If he makes it through those two, then Nadal.  What a draw!  Enjoy your trip home, Nando.

My women's team is now officially totally in the toilet.  First Azarenka's game failed to show up, then today Safina crashed out in the first round to Kimiko Date!  Oh, my God.  And then, as if that's not bad enough, Suarez Navarro (my unseeded player pick) went out in the first round, too.  It's almost as if I had been trying to score as few points as humanly possible and succeeded beyond all expectation.  Wow.

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ya there have been some very big shockers in both the women's and men's draw. The only REAL shocker in the men's draw was monaco losing to a qualifier nobody's ever heard of. In the women's draw, wow, just poor playing by some players that were highly expected to go far. Safina i wasn't expecting too much, because she hasnt proved thats she's physically and mentally ready, so she'll have to work on that. Azarenka on the other hand, i also had her on my team but changed her at the last minute for Wozniacki, but im still disapointed she lost.
Now for Verdasco, i have high hopes for him because he's having a great clay court season and i have a feeling he will go far. So don't count him out just yet

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If I followed the women's game more closely, I'd have known about Azarenka's and Safina's injuries.  My bad, really.  So I get spanked as a result, which really is only fair.

If you consider the quarters "going far" then MAYBE Verdasco will go far.  No way he beats Nadal in a 5 set match at Roland Garros.  That absolutely will not happen.  Rafa won't lose 3 sets in the entire tournament.

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I have Querry and Benjamin Becker, and both lost in the first round. Not good at all. I know that Querry is tall and better on a fast surface, but I never thought he would lose in the 1st round. Ouch.

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chadshack wrote:

I have Querry and Benjamin Becker, and both lost in the first round. Not good at all. I know that Querry is tall and better on a fast surface, but I never thought he would lose in the 1st round. Ouch.

Sam has never won a match at Roland Garros.

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Very true. Maybe its the atmosphere because he was having a descent clay court season but not great

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His biggest win on the dirt this season would probably be Andreev (he beat Isner but Andreev is much better on clay). The clay is usually the worst surface for all American players in general. Roddick and Isner have the ability to have success because of their huge serves and power game that can drive the ball through the clay. I know Sam's game is pretty much power, but I don't think his serve or his overall game is as refined as Roddick or Isner. Also, keep in mind Sam's major climb through the rankings came at the end of last season when he played almost every tournament in the US hard court season. He has yet to prove himself on the dirt.

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Both Roddick and Isner have been good choices so far this year, but neither is anything even vaguely close to a contender.  Roddick will almost certainly lose to David Ferrer in R16 and Isner will most likely go out to Berdych in his next match.  Even if I'm right, both players will have done extremely well for modern American players at Roland Garros.   

I took no American players on my RG men's team this year and almost certainly won't do it next year, either.  The stats of American male players on red dirt are absolutely awful.  It's a different game from hard courts.

It helps to have grown up playing on clay.   Until we start exposing our young players to clay on a regular basis, we will continue to lose more than we win at the French.

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DonDenman wrote:

Both Roddick and Isner have been good choices so far this year, but neither is anything even vaguely close to a contender.  Roddick will almost certainly lose to David Ferrer in R16 and Isner will most likely go out to Berdych in his next match.  Even if I'm right, both players will have done extremely well for modern American players at Roland Garros.   

I took no American players on my RG men's team this year and almost certainly won't do it next year, either.  The stats of American male players on red dirt are absolutely awful.  It's a different game from hard courts.

It helps to have grown up playing on clay.   Until we start exposing our young players to clay on a regular basis, we will continue to lose more than we win at the French.

Definitely. There's a reason why the European players dominate on the clay; they have the stuff under their feet from an early age. The Spaniards in particular churn out player after player that rules the clay.

I have to say, I was surprised to see the Baghdatis/Murray scoreline today. I thought he would cause more problems for Murray, particularly since the guy was nackered after his battle against Gasquet. We shall just have to see whether Berdych can be more of a tricky customer.

Djokovic played well today, what a relief.

You know who I missed? Delpo. I miss the guy's lanky frame flying all over the court in a way that seems physically impossible. It was the French Open last year when I started to fall in love with watching him play, it's such a shame that he isn't here now and will probably not be able to defend is US Open title.

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I, too, was surprised at how easily Murray handled Baghdatis, even though clay is not Marcos' best surface.  Apparently Murray is starting to get a feel for the dirt.  However, Berdych is a different proposition from Bags.  I cannot imagine Murray winning that one.  He does continue to surprise, however.

Yes, the Spanish have ruled at RG most of the time for a long time: Spanish players have won 9 of the last 17 to be exact.  Of course, Rafa won 4 of those.  Bruguera won twice and Ferrero, Moya and Albert Costa won once each.  Ferrero certainly might have won more if he hadn't injured his finger.

In that same period, South Americans have won 4 -- but Guga Kuerten won 3 of those.  Of the remaining 4 winners, 3 were European: Federer, Kafelnikov and Muster.  But the latter two won in '95 and '96, so except for Fed last year, a non-Spanish European hasn't won this tournament in a long time.  The other winner was Agassi in '99.

So the Spanish rule the French (Open, that is).

I, too, miss Delpo.  I loved the comment "I miss the guy's lanky frame flying all over the court in a way that seems physically impossible."  One of the problems guys that big will always have on the tennis tour is durability, for obvious reasons related to physics.  We can only hope that he recovers this year, that he returns to his previous form, and that his body holds up. 

If all those things happen, I think he will be #1 in the world eventually.  He has a far greater upside than the Djoker or even Murray IMHO.  I also continue to think that Gulbis may challenge for that spot one day, but we'll have to wait and see about that one.

Last edited by DonDenman (May. 28, 2010 3:31pm)

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DonDenman wrote:

I, too, was surprised at how easily Murray handled Baghdatis, even though clay is not Marcos' best surface.  Apparently Murray is starting to get a feel for the dirt.  However, Berdych is a different proposition from Bags.  I cannot imagine Murray winning that one.  He does continue to surprise, however.

Yes, the Spanish have ruled at RG most of the time for a long time: Spanish players have won 9 of the last 17 to be exact.  Of course, Rafa won 4 of those.  Bruguera won twice and Ferrero, Moya and Albert Costa won once each.  Ferrero certainly might have won more if he hadn't injured his finger.

In that same period, South Americans have won 4 -- but Guga Kuerten won 3 of those.  Of the remaining 4 winners, 3 were European: Federer, Kafelnikov and Muster.  But the latter two won in '95 and '96, so except for Fed last year, a non-Spanish European hasn't won this tournament in a long time.  The other winner was Agassi in '99.

So the Spanish rule the French (Open, that is).

I, too, miss Delpo.  I loved the comment "I miss the guy's lanky frame flying all over the court in a way that seems physically impossible."  One of the problems guys that big will always have on the tennis tour is durability, for obvious reasons related to physics.  We can only hope that he recovers this year, that he returns to his previous form, and that his body holds up. 

If all those things happen, I think he will be #1 in the world eventually.  He has a far greater upside than the Djoker or even Murray IMHO.  I also continue to think that Gulbis may challenge for that spot one day, but we'll have to wait and see about that one.

Yes, I think Delpo has more of a chance at hitting the highs of ranking world no. 1 than Djokovic, maybe. I think if Djokovic wins a grand slam and gets a pick-up from that then things may start to happen, but who knows.

Well it's like watching a rather tall and athletic spider on the court when Delpo plays, I swear it's not possible for a man of that size and limb-length to be able to move that quickly. I'll always remember at Wimbledon how he ran to return a sneaky drop shot, missed it, but couldn't stop running, so leapt over the net as though it were a mere piece of string on the floor. It's that dedication to shots that a man his size usually will never win that really impresses upon me when it comes to del Potro. More than anything I'm disappointed I won't have a chance of seeing him at the ATP World Tour Finals this year. I do miss him, but there's definitely a strong hope for his future if he keeps his body in check.

I think Gulbis is a pretty interesting character, but that he has a long way to go before being a challenge to the top 5. It's certainly not impossible though, I guess we have to start looking for those kinds of players as they will soon be on their rise to replace some of those lingering at the top now....

I'm not sure about Murray vs. Berdych. Murray is doing better on clay but I don't think better equals anything too close to the title. I suppose we shall have to see, who knows.

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If Murray can win a set from Berdych, he has a chance to win the match -- due to his craftiness, mental strength and superior physical conditioning.  I doubt he'll win a set, however.  If he does, it's certainly possible Berdych could win in 4.  If Murray is going to win, it will have to go 5 sets.  If it does, I like Murray for sure.

Delpo is a bit of a powerful spider, eh?  I hope that I will never see a spider with a bite half as forceful as Delpo's groundies.  That could be tragic.  In fact, I'm pretty sure the Delpster hits harder off both wings consistently than anybody ever, which is saying rather a lot. 

Once, not very long ago, there were three top juniors all the same age, more or less: Murray, Delpo & Gulbis.  Of the three, the debate was whether the best of the lot would be Murray or Gulbis.  I think the majority view was that it would be Ernsts.  Now, however, most folks would say Murray.  I'm inclined to say Del Potro, though his tendency to injury may prove me wrong.  No one would say Gulbis.

So why have the two flourished and the one not?  Primarily because Gulbis has been far less serious than the other two about such matters as improving his conditioning and his game.  Why?  Well, my answer is this: his father is the wealthiest man in Latvia by a more than comfortable margin.  So it's a bit harder for him to have a fire in his belly.  He'd never have to work a day in his life if he so chose. 

Yet, for some reason best known to God, here he comes.  Nice.  I respect that.  Generally, I don't care at all for the very rich, having known a number of them.  But there certainly are exceptions.  If Ernsts lives up to his potential, I'll tell anybody he's the exception that proves the rule.

Last edited by DonDenman (May. 28, 2010 6:14pm)

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Gulbis is another of those rising stars, he's a late bloomer since Murray and Del Potro have had their successes already. He did get to the semi's in Rome and he notched off a win against Federer. He is starting to play more seriously and he seems very focused, though his hamstring problem was a kind of a frowney face on his rise up. But rest assured I believe he will amount to something great in the future.

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tennisguy44349 wrote:

Gulbis is another of those rising stars, he's a late bloomer since Murray and Del Potro have had their successes already. He did get to the semi's in Rome and he notched off a win against Federer. He is starting to play more seriously and he seems very focused, though his hamstring problem was a kind of a frowney face on his rise up. But rest assured I believe he will amount to something great in the future.

Still not sold on Gulbis. People have been talking about this guy for 2-3 years now, and he is still an up and down player. He needs to show some consistency on the big stage. I look at a guy like Gilles Simon and someone who gives 150% every time he is on the court, and despite the fact that he has no real overpowering weapons, he still got to #6 in the world. I don't think Gulbis will ever give that kind of effort, and as a result I don't think he will have any consistency in his career.

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Anyone want to see something I can guarantee you will find either

a) hilarious
b) deeply disturbing.

I'd have to go with hilarious, but see for yourself

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Medi … oicki.aspx

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They don't call him "The Djoker" for nothing.

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SophieG wrote:

Anyone want to see something I can guarantee you will find either

a) hilarious
b) deeply disturbing.

I'd have to go with hilarious, but see for yourself

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Medi … oicki.aspx

Wayyyyyy too much touching there for my liking.

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Aiur wrote:
SophieG wrote:

Anyone want to see something I can guarantee you will find either

a) hilarious
b) deeply disturbing.

I'd have to go with hilarious, but see for yourself

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Medi … oicki.aspx

Wayyyyyy too much touching there for my liking.

A lot of touching indeed, anyone know if Nole is still together with his girlfriend or whether he is trying to tell us something with this video?

Makes me laugh, I do love Djokovic. Anyone seen any of the other karaoke videos?

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This is just a guess, but based on what I've seen from him in the past, I think it's just another instance of over-the-top humor from Nole.  Remember his Nadal and Sharapova routines?  He'll do anything for attention and then when he gets it, he looks uncomfortable unless he's doing a comedy routine.  He wants you to love him, then goes out of his way to be goofy or irritating.  Nole's a weird kid any way you slice it.

Back to Gulbis for a second.  Aiur's right to doubt him.  Ernsts has started to make a move, but he was just injured, and he's yet to make his mark in a major.  He CAN, but will he?  We'll see.  Personally, I hope so.  He's an interesting character.

Last edited by DonDenman (May. 29, 2010 3:36pm)

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I think he's very much an entertainer, he loves the limelight when he can show off in it. I think he's quite a comfortable guy whether he is talking about his past or strutting his stuff on a catwalk in tight shorts (search it on youtube), I don't think he's particularly shy or reluctant to be in the public eye. I imagine he was a precocious child, his brothers look a little more shy. Not complaining, I love the guy smile I wonder how his TV role is going as King Aleksander Karadjordjevic? 
I noticed he was blowing his nose a lot during his match, I bet he is hoping the weather will remain damp so that the pollen levels don't rise.

Hm, not sure about Gulbis. Depends whether his background trips him up as an un-motivator.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gWXXSEv … re=channel

He can't sing, but ten out of ten for effort for Soderling's ABBA karaoke.

Gotta love a Swedish tennis player in drag.